I see this posted frequently (not here mind you):

"We didn't have so many warning labels when I was a kid, because people weren't so stupid back then"

However, if you actually stop to think about it, the converse is actually more likely.

"We have so many warning labels now because people back then WERE so stupid."

In my experience, you only need to warn about something after someone has done the thing no-one thought a right minded person would do.

@dadegroot it is like speed limit changes on the roads, or traffic lights at roundabouts which here in the UK often only happen *after* an area has been found to have become a blackspot for collisions or (in the case of roundabouts) the "fair play" traffic flow ideal isn't being achieved and traffic from one particular direction is dominating to the detriment of others..

@vfrmedia @dadegroot Traffic lights at roundabouts are a horrible idea that negates any advantage of having a roundabout. But I guess if a roundabout was built in a place that should never have had one, slapping traffic lights on it is cheaper than reconstructing the normal crossing again.

@clacke @vfrmedia @dadegroot
We've had a 4 way stop at a junction of two highways for many years and are Finally getting roundabout there instead. I can't imagine a reason for placing traffic lights on a roundabout.

@gemlog @clacke @vfrmedia four way stops are fairly rare here. Usually one direction will have no stop signs (but might have a give way in rare circumstances) and the cross flow will have stops.
A four way stop is too ambiguous for most drivers.


@dadegroot @clacke @vfrmedia
We have a fair number of them in my town. It's not that ppl don't know the rules - they need to know to pass their driving license. I think it's more they they daydream as they approach the intersection and don't realize who's turn it is and then... 3 other people are cussing at them ;-)

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