I see this posted frequently (not here mind you):

"We didn't have so many warning labels when I was a kid, because people weren't so stupid back then"

However, if you actually stop to think about it, the converse is actually more likely.

"We have so many warning labels now because people back then WERE so stupid."

In my experience, you only need to warn about something after someone has done the thing no-one thought a right minded person would do.

@dadegroot it is like speed limit changes on the roads, or traffic lights at roundabouts which here in the UK often only happen *after* an area has been found to have become a blackspot for collisions or (in the case of roundabouts) the "fair play" traffic flow ideal isn't being achieved and traffic from one particular direction is dominating to the detriment of others..

@vfrmedia @dadegroot Traffic lights at roundabouts are a horrible idea that negates any advantage of having a roundabout. But I guess if a roundabout was built in a place that should never have had one, slapping traffic lights on it is cheaper than reconstructing the normal crossing again.

@clacke @vfrmedia @dadegroot
We've had a 4 way stop at a junction of two highways for many years and are Finally getting roundabout there instead. I can't imagine a reason for placing traffic lights on a roundabout.

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@clacke @vfrmedia @dadegroot This is northern canada. The highways connecting a few towns in no way resemble the M6 or the Autobahn! :-)
Still, silly not to have had one there all these years.

@gemlog @vfrmedia @dadegroot Ah, more like a country road then. "Highway" to me means four-lane road with grade separation.

@clacke @vfrmedia @dadegroot
Yes, words have a bit different meaning here. I had just woken up and it was too late before I thought to clarify my post. Sorry about that.
I once told a guy I lived in a small town. He was german.
I meant 12k people. He meant 150k ppl with cloverleafs :-)
We are 37mm people spread out over the 2nd largest country in the world. We think on a different scale :-)

@gemlog @vfrmedia @dadegroot In your defense, legally the threshold to qualify as potential big town in Germany is 100k people. πŸ˜€

I love the German system. There are definitions for who runs what services for whom based on these definitions of rural area, municipality, big town, county-level city and city-state.


@clacke @vfrmedia @dadegroot
In my province of British Columbia, if even the smallest village incorporates, it must be called a 'city'. Even if it's a village or a tiny hamlet. This causes some international confusion as well.

What it currently still looks like (although shovels are in the ground):


@clacke @vfrmedia @dadegroot Sorry, I should have posted about the lack of volume more quickly. A cloverleaf would be serious overkill for the highways connecting our small villages.

@gemlog @clacke @dadegroot

it gets done here when the traffic levels exceed what the roundabout can handle (which of course takes a few decades to occur) , ISTR it starting in London during the 1980s.

Uncontrolled crossroads (4 way stops) are much rarer here and are often replaced by a mini-roundabout.

The problem with light controlled roundabouts is there is a temptation to race the lights, which can end badly when an HGV with badly distributed load tries it..


@gemlog @clacke @vfrmedia four way stops are fairly rare here. Usually one direction will have no stop signs (but might have a give way in rare circumstances) and the cross flow will have stops.
A four way stop is too ambiguous for most drivers.

@dadegroot @clacke @vfrmedia
We have a fair number of them in my town. It's not that ppl don't know the rules - they need to know to pass their driving license. I think it's more they they daydream as they approach the intersection and don't realize who's turn it is and then... 3 other people are cussing at them ;-)

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